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now he also talks about my brother's

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keeper that was one of his pet whatever

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peeves how projects that statement yes

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statements you know and when you if he

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he he is his own brother is struggling

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in in the slums his own brother is

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struggling is struggling in the slums

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but let's get his own aunt who was in

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Boston I know if this is going to open

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up another can of worms is struggling in

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Boston so what I'm saying is that I mean

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is that really something you can

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sincerely say that he's he's you know is

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he for real on those issues or what he's

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trying to do so let's talk about let's

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get back to the relationship and how it

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changed because I'm curious if when you

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first connected what you said you feel

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he changed around the time he became

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president she changed somewhere along

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the line I think when he was growing up

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he became a senator I got like separated

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from him I've gone back to Africa in

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1995 for those reasons now I didn't want

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anything to do the Western Western

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civilization I want to go back to

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African civilization I was there for two

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years and then I was broke so I had to

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come back

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so I call him and I say look brother I'm

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out of cash I need a place to crash I

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give him for a little bit until I get up

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on my feet and he says no I'm asking why

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I said something about Michelle you know

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okay that's all you were looking at

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crash in Chicago I needed a place to

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stay I don't know no money I need to

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come back remember I had shipped all my

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stuff back to Africa and this all was

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never coming back so this was after your

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conversion to Islam and you'd basically

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cleaned yourself up yes and now you were

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looking to come back to the US and and

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where was Sheila you said no no Michelle

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no no your second who you ended up

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marrying Siri Sheree oh sorry

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you know I split up with her - you would

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split up with her - yeah but you were

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just looking to come back now to the US

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for

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you had cleaned up when I was broke but

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you were broke yeah I was broke I'd run

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out of money I'd run out of money and

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all I could think of was I had no

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alternative and back home nothing was

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happening because you know the dynamics

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dead like you got to know somebody you

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know and and so I wasn't I don't know

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again I had hid on the wall I was up

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against

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I was well how do you say it oh it hit

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bottom bottom okay

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so I needed it try to come back you know

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so what I did I had a few things I think

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I had some new diamonds or something I

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sold those and then I got a ticket so I

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came back and before I did that I called

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him and I said can I come maybe I could

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crash not that I really wanted to be

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with him I just said I didn't have a

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place to stay I said okay this is my

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brother at that time I was still those

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we were still brothers and was he in the

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Illinois State Senate at that time yeah

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I think he was here to stay in 1995 I

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think he was a senator yes in Illinois

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they said no so I came back and I just

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came I landed back in the USA and mmm

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thank God I had a friend my old friend

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Joe I called him I was at the train